Pirate 1998 Scouting Report - Third Basemen

Last Updated 2 May 1998

On November 17, 1997, Mark Jareb (lshark@AKULA.COM) posted the following to the Pirate e-mail list. I have edited it and included it here with his permission.


Abbreviations are:
-CAL, Calgary, the Bucs AAA team in the
PCL, Pacific Coast League (Nashville replaces Calgary in '98)
-CAR, Carolina, the Bucs AA team in the
SOU, Southern League
-LYN, Lynchburg, the Bucs A+ team in the
CRL, Carolina League
-AUG, Augusta, the Bucs A team in the
SAL, South Atlantic League
-ERI, Erie, the Bucs A- team in the
NYP, New York-Penn League
-GCL refers to the Bucs rookie team in the Gulf Coast League
-DSL refers to the team the Bucs field in the Dominican Summer League. This team is primarily composed of teenagers from the Dominican signed as non-drafted free agents.
Index: | Pirates | Calgary | Carolina | Lynchburg | Augusta | Erie | GCL | Projections |
Pirates
The Bucs lost Joe Randa in the expansion draft to Arizona, and then Randa was packaged in deal to the Tigers. Randa had a good year with the Bucs in '97 (302/366/451), but would have been pushed out of a starting job with the Pirates by some of the talent coming up through the Bucs' system. On Nov 26, 1997, Dale Sveum (261/319/451) signed a 2-year contract with the Yankees, so he is not part of the Pirate mix for 1998 either.
Kevin Young could move across the diamond to play 3B for the Bucs in '98. I think we'll have to wait for spring training to see if Ron Wright is ready to be the 1Bman for the Bucs in '98 though to clearly see who will handle the hot corner for the Bucs next season.

Freddy Garcia: 25-8/1/72; NDFA '91 (Blue Jays), Dominican
3B/1B, R-R, 6-2 186

Taken in the Rule V draft in '95, the Bucs held onto him even though he was clearly overmatched by MLB pitching. His '97 was considered somewhat disappointing, but I think that may have been partially due to injury. He hurt his wrist late in spring training, but began play with Calgary just a few days into the season. He didn't hit well and was sent to AA where he really crushed the ball. His isolated power at AA in '97 compares favorably to any season of Ron Wright. On the other hand, he's a little old for AA, his BB rate is gradually getting worse, and his short stint in the majors suggests that he may have a large platoon split. He hit LHP extremely well while going 0-18 vs RHP. He also hit RHP very poorly in '95. That type of split makes a batter much less valuable. I really like his power potential, but there are some concerns. He'll get a shot at the starting 3B job in PIT, but he could be the starting 3B at Nashville.
         AB   H  2B 3B HR  BB  SO    BA/OBP/SLG
93  R   264  63   8  2 11  31  71   239/319/409
94  A-  260  74  10  2 13  33  57   285/366/488
95  MLB  57   8   1  1  0   8  17   140/246/193
96  A+  474 145  39  3 21  44  86   306/358/534
    DOM  70  14   6  1  0  10  12   200/300/314
97  AAA 121  29   6  0  5   9  20   240/293/413
    AA  282  82  17  4 19  18  56   291/342/582
    PIT  40   6   1  0  3   2  17   150/190/400
    DOM  64  13   3  1  1   9  12   203/301/328
1997 Scouting Report

Doug Strange: 34-4/13/64; #7 '85 (DET); North Carolina State
3B/1B, B-R, 6-2 170

Strange was signed by the Bucs as a free agent to a two-year contract for a reported $1.1M. A utility IF for most of his major league career, he had a career season (for him) last year with the Expos. His playing time with the Expos was largely a result of injuries to Shane Andrews and FP Santangelo. Though a switch hitter, he's essentially a platoon player as he's always hit poorly vs. LHP. He provides a needed left-handed bat off of the bench, can play both corner IF positions, and can also sub at 2B and the OF. I don't think signing Strange was a good move, particularly that he's signed for 2 years, as I think the Bucs had better and cheaper options at their disposal. The most likely guess is that he'll produce an OPS of ~700. He likely will assume the role that Dale Sveum played for the Bucs in '97, though there's a chance that he and Garcia will form a platoon at 3B.
         AB   H  2B 3B HR  BB  SO    BA/OBP/SLG
89 Det  196  42   4  1  1  17  36   214/280/260
91 Cubs   9   4   1  0  0   0   1   444/500/556
92 Cubs  94  15   1  0  1  10  15   160/240/202
93 Tex  484 124  29  0  7  43  69   256/318/360
94 Tex  226  48  12  1  5  15  38   212/268/341
95 Sea  155  42   9  2  2  10  25   271/323/394
96 Sea  183  43   7  1  3  14  31   235/290/333
97 Mon  327  84  16  2 12  36  76   257/332/428

Calgary AAA
Chance Sanford: 26-6/2/72; #27 '92; San Jacinto JC (TX)
3B/2B, L-R, 5-10 165
He started the year at Carolina, splitting time at 2B and 3B, but moved up to Calgary playing almost entirely 3B. Of all the people we had at AAA in '97 who could play 2B, he's probably the best hitter. He's back to hitting at his '94-'95 level; I wouldn't be surprised if his drop in performance in '96 was related to coming back from his elbow injury. He's on the old side for a prospect, so he may not be given any real chance to ever make the majors. He's a better choice for a utility IF than Dale Sveum was. With Doug Strange signed to a 2-year deal, Sanford is a very dark horse to make the parent club. I'm guessing he'll start '98 at AAA as the starting 3B unless Freddy Garcia fails to make the parent club. If Sanford is let go, that would be unfortunate.
         AB   H  2B 3B HR  BB  SO    BA/OBP/SLG
92 A-   214  61  10  3  5  35  41   285/381/435
   A     46   5   1  0  0   3  10   109/180/130
93 A+   428 109  21  5 10  33  80   255/308/397
94 A+   474 130  32  6 19  56  95   274/351/487
95 R     19   4   0  0  1   2   2   211/286/368
   AA    36  10   3  1  3   5   7   278/381/667
   A+    66  22   4  0  3   7  13   333/392/530
96 AA   470 115  16 13  4  72 108   245/341/360
97 AA   149  39  10  2  9  20  39   262/349/537
   AAA  325  95  27  9  6  39  82   296/368/486

Steve Thobe: 26-5/26/72; #18 '94; Sacramento U.
3B/1B(C), R-R, 6-7 230

Thobe had a pretty good season in '97 (definitely better than I expected), but his problem is that of the 3 guys who played 3B at AA and AAA; he's the oldest (by 6 days!) and the 3rd best. Also, with Aramis Ramirez coming up behind him, that drops him to 4th on the depth chart. He's starting to hit with a little more power, but his BB rate is only average while he still has a fairly high strike out rate. The concern is that he's a little more prone to a low BA, and when he hits something like .230, his offense is fairly abysmal for a corner IF. He did spend part of '96 as a catcher at Lynchburg, so he may have a shot at making a major league roster someday as a utility corner IF. In '98, he probably will split time between AA and AAA again playing the corner positions, though I think it would be a wise career move to try doing some catching again.
         AB   H  2B 3B HR  BB  SO    BA/OBP/SLG
94 A-   151  29  11  0  1  12  33   192/252/285
95 A    291  87  12  2  6  29  71   299/363/416
96 A+   359  82  15  0 11  29  93   228/286/362
97 AAA  102  26   8  0  5  15  25   255/361/480
   A+    27   4   1  0  0   1  10   148/200/185
   AA   181  53  10  0  7  13  52   293/352/464

Carolina AA
All of the Mudcat 3B-men in '98 passed through on their way to other places: Sanford, Thobe, and Garcia.
Lynchburg A+ (full season, high)
Aramis Ramirez: 20-6/25/78; NDFA '95, Dominican(HS)
3B, R-R, 6-1 176
He was the MVP of the Carolina League in '97 while being one of the youngest players in the league. He could easily develop into a bona fide star in the majors. He has great power and he gets on base at a good clip. One minor concern is, that at times, he's a little too cocky and full of himself. but for a 19-year old putting up MVP numbers, that's somewhat understandable. His defense seemed solid, so he is the 3Bman of the future for the Bucs. Whether that future is '99 or 2000 is about the only question. There has been some talk about Aramis making the jump from A+ to be the Bucs 3B-man this year (a la Guillen did in '97), but I think the odds of this are much less than Guillen's last year. Ramirez is even younger than Guillen, and there are questions about his maturity. He'll be the starting 3Bman at Carolina and will likely see Pittsburgh at least as a September callup in '98.
         AB   H  2B 3B HR  BB  SO    BA/OBP/SLG
95  DSL 214  63  13  0 11  42  26   294/410/509
96  A-  223  68  14  4  9  31  41   305/403/525
    A    20   4   1  0  1   1   7   200/304/400
    DOM  13   3   1  0  0   1   4   231/286/308
97  A+  482 134  24  2 29  80 103   278/390/517
    DOM  33   5   0  0  0  11  10   152/364/152 
1997 Scouting Report
Augusta A (full season, low)
Bo Hundt: 23-4/21/75; #30(D&F) '95; Logan JC (IL)
3B, S-R, 6-0 202
A draft and follow from '95, Hundt was one of the better offensive players for Augusta this season, but that was among limited competition. A below average BB rate, not a very good BA, and he's a little old for the SAL. He might develop average power, but I'm not certain of it. He'll probably be the 3Bman at Lynchburg next year, though Kevin Haverbusch (see SS) or Xavier Burns (below) may take that spot away from him.
         AB   H  2B 3B HR  BB  SO    BA/OBP/SLG
96 A-    55   9   0  1  1   4  11   164/233/255
   R     69  17   2  0  1   5   9   246/325/319
97 A    407 100  21  2  6  24 109   246/301/351

Boomer Whipple: 25-2/9/73; FA 6/95; Vanderbilt
3B/IF, R-R, 6-0 190

An undrafted senior out of Vanderbilt, Whipple's main assets are his batting eye and his versatility at playing many positions well. However, he has no power and hasn't hit for average. Injured for most of the '97 season, the little he played was back at Augusta. He has a 50/50 chance of being in Lynchburg as a backup IF or being out of baseball for '98.
         AB   H  2B 3B HR  BB  SO    BA/OBP/SLG
95 A-   225  57   4  0  2  30  18   253/341/298
96 A    444 105  23  0  2  72  58   236/343/302
97 A    108  24   7  0  0  23  19   222/370/287

Erie A- (short season)
Xavier Burns: 23-5/8/75; #13 '96; Central State (OH)
3B, R-R, 5-11 190
After a poor '96, Burns put together a nice '97, though it really wasn't good enough to get to prospect status. He was a little old for Erie, he walks slightly below league average, and the Pirates are pretty well covered at 3B. Still, he does show some power potential and though the odds are against him, he could develop into a decent MLB backup. He'll likely be the starting 3Bman at Augusta in '98, but some PT at Lynchburg wouldn't surprise me.
         AB   H  2B 3B HR  BB  SO    BA/OBP/SLG
96 R     73  12   1  1  0  11  24   164/279/205
   A-    38   6   1  0  0   3  12   158/256/184
97 A-   230  63  13  2  7  18  62   274/341/439

Gulf Coast (Rookie League)
Yustin Jordan: 19-8/15/78; #6 '96; Monticello, AR (HS)
3B, R-R, 6-3 200
Though '97 was Jordan's 2nd season at rookie ball, he definitely has some positive points. He can take a walk, and he's begun to show some of the power indicative of his size. Since, he's still quite young, he'll likely start '98 at Erie. However, if he does well in the Instructional League, he might see some PT in Augusta to start the year.
         AB   H  2B 3B HR  BB  SO    BA/OBP/SLG
96 R     85  21   1  0  1  10  23   247/340/294
97 R     93  25   6  0  0  14  24   269/370/333

Rico Washington: 20-5/30/78; #10 '97; Gray, GA (HS)
3B, L-R, 5-10 170

Listed as a SS when he was drafted, Rico primarily played 3B in Rookie ball. He showed decent power potential, but a relatively poor batting eye. He'll probably be in Erie in '98, though he may find himself back in Bradenton again. He is Willie Greene's first cousin.
         AB   H  2B 3B HR  BB  SO    BA/OBP/SLG
97 R     98  24   6  0  1   4  13    245/299/337

Projections:

Bucs: Garcia Strange
Nashville: Sanford Thobe
Carolina: Ramirez
Lynchburg: Hundt
Augusta: Burns
Erie: Jordan
Gulf Coast League: R. Washington
Whipple was released over the winter. Schreiber was released in spring training.


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